tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post5275138769391516122..comments2024-01-15T15:23:15.700-05:00Comments on B-LoEdScene: Do Both Sides Feel Like They Got Screwed?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08125018774502675730noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-58645179596639260442016-10-23T22:57:13.548-04:002016-10-23T22:57:13.548-04:00It is available on the btf website.It is available on the btf website.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16319261747710290814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-25686646624229904322016-10-22T21:41:33.883-04:002016-10-22T21:41:33.883-04:00Thanks AG. I will see if I can find a neutral Clif...Thanks AG. I will see if I can find a neutral Cliff Notes version to share. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08125018774502675730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-25488966456522607642016-10-22T12:20:10.891-04:002016-10-22T12:20:10.891-04:00Glad to see you're back. Would love to read mo...Glad to see you're back. Would love to read more about what your new contract says. Maybe you can explain to us out of towners. NYC Educatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188066345722781723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-10963310198770624402016-10-20T22:39:35.154-04:002016-10-20T22:39:35.154-04:00Yeah I said this post wasn't going to be perfe...Yeah I said this post wasn't going to be perfect and I was pretty sure it was going to piss some people off. That's fine. The people stomping their feet and having hissy fits at the mics in Kleinhans didn't seem to give a damn if they pissed anyone off either so I guess we all want our turn. I am not sure how our contract will ever address charter encroachment and/or Paladino's leases. Those are valid points but I don't see how they get addressed through collective bargaining. I think I saw the high points of the deal and I really didn't need to take it home and scrutinize it. I had a hard time believing that some of the more vocal members were fired up about the contract alone. It struck me that there were past grievances and grudges in play as well as secondary motivations for raising a ruckus. As T.S. Eliot said of Hamlet it appeared to this member that we had some emotion in excess of the facts. Being pissed off doesn't make anyone right or wrong it just makes them pissed off. I think we can stand a good shitstorm every now and then if the net result is unity and moving ahead. That did not appear to be the direction the group was headed in from my observations. Discussion and dissent are invaluable. Bitching and whining are killers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08125018774502675730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-22713719447578239982016-10-20T22:17:33.155-04:002016-10-20T22:17:33.155-04:00I agree with your points, to a point. The informa...I agree with your points, to a point. The information we need is where does this contract put us in comparison to other locals? If we are in the middle, then we ought to do our best to at least hold that spot. If other locals are going up, then we have to do the same.<br />We have to make sure in the BOE election next May (I think), that Bowers-Pierce and Quinn don't return to the table.<br />We need something to stem the bleeding from charters. Already at 25% of enrollment and poised to grow as CSAT and EVCS are going to grab more BPS students. This has the net effect of depressing our contract.<br />We need to get creative about including them in BTF and pulling the plug on Paladino's leases. We give free space in exchange for a cap on charters, then maybe we can make some headway.<br />As far as negotiating something better that seems highly unlikely. However, I think membership waited 12 years, Phil should've given people a chance to view the contract at length.<br />There were promises that something would be in the hands of membership with adequate time to review, and those weren't met.<br />Were there discrepancies? Sure. The contract was decent overall and while it won't make up for past injustice, it's a step in the right direction.cirpilihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15527524221608526322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-11660894509047487282016-10-20T22:09:48.141-04:002016-10-20T22:09:48.141-04:00From my understanding there will only be outside e...From my understanding there will only be outside evaluators if a teacher receives an ineffective (possibly developing) rating. Otherwise it's business as usual in terms of evals. That's what I was told by my AP this year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-48231058624337706542016-10-20T09:58:35.617-04:002016-10-20T09:58:35.617-04:00Refused to fund our contract that should've sa...Refused to fund our contract that should've said. Yeah they approved it then wouldn't implement the pay scale they approved! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08125018774502675730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-43903350048565683402016-10-20T09:57:06.157-04:002016-10-20T09:57:06.157-04:00I think I can appreciate both sides of the various...I think I can appreciate both sides of the various arguments but any sane reasonable adult would have to agree between something and another year of nothing you take something. When the Board refused to our contract in the early 90's they owed me about 40k. I got a check for slightly less than 9k and paid off my truck. Sometimes you just have to be in reality. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08125018774502675730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-30883914038767414492016-10-20T09:29:53.391-04:002016-10-20T09:29:53.391-04:00Sean Thank you for your thoughts on what we were a...Sean Thank you for your thoughts on what we were able to accomplish with the help from our union and its rank and file members. Nothing is perfect but it is better to have the support when needed than to have it all taken away because people stop fighting for it. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03113580100807340578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-40062057812124034222016-10-20T09:27:36.118-04:002016-10-20T09:27:36.118-04:00That is all still being negotiated under notnonly ...That is all still being negotiated under notnonly the terms of our contract but under the terms of the APPR and the state law. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03113580100807340578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811638297838636919.post-19360084467039505222016-10-20T08:13:08.390-04:002016-10-20T08:13:08.390-04:00Hi there. Question: Does your new contract state t...Hi there. Question: Does your new contract state the amount of observations done by supervisors? (Will there be "outside evaluators?) Any info is appreciated!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com